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Before You Make SharePoint Public

Today I presented at the first 24-Hour SharePoint Conference! Thank you all for attending. My session was prerecorded, which was a little odd to record a session without an audience, but it was worth it. I had a lot of fun doing it and I had a great turn out. Thanks again for joining!

You can watch it in its entirety below. The deck is just below there, and I threw some of the questions below as well, along with the animated GIF from the video. Enjoy!

Video

[youtube http://youtu.be/5a-9BRIQU-E]

Presentation

Great Questions

I had some great questions during the session, thanks to all who attended. Some questions I received during the session:

Jared:  who’s moderating this beast? Christian Buckley again?
Mark:  this one is non anchored
Mark:  Keep the questions comign though
Jared:  That’s poor planning, David Lozzi will definitely require supervision
Mark:  lol
Mark:  let see…
Me:   I’ll be ok

 

Amy:  David – Do you only need licensing for the person or persons building the site?
Me:  if hosting on-premises?
Amy:  online
Eduard:  online limit: 1 person – 1 public site
Eduard:  online 100 person – 1 public site
Me:  SharePoint Online or O365 will have the licenses included, however i’m not sure… thanks Eduard
Me:  i have some links in the references for comparing the versions of O365 and SP ONline
Eduard:  so you need only 1 licence to run online public facing site
Jared:  Amy – for public facing site you just need 1 license
Jared:  That’s what we have for our User Group site.. Just need licenses for those that are logging in to make changes.

 

Eduard:  friendly urls is only on prem?
Me:  Not on Public site for SharePoint Online, you can use it on your private sites
Eduard:  sure

 

Pavan:  Question: Intend to convert a public facing .net site to a SharePoint public facing site, currently we have SP 2010 Enterprise, so my question is do i need any extra licenses to have anonymous access available?
Jared:  Pavan – if you’re hosting it then yes.. You’ll want to talk about SharePoint for Internet with your MS Rep
Me:  Great question Pavan. I completely forget the licensing model for SP2010. I remember in 2007, maybe 2010, that there was an Internet Connector license for making SharePoint public. MS has gone away with that for 2013, maybe for 2010?
Me:  I recommend chatting with your MS rep to clarify

 

Eduard:  Are there ana advantages in terms of SEO between on prem and online?
Me:  @Eduard page SEO is the same, sitemap is there. Online doesn’t have managed navigation
Me:  For me that’s a big loss for SEO
Eduard:  a meen to remeber that managed navigation have also drawbacks to SEO
Me:  @Eduard, what drawbacks?
Eduard:  as far as I remeber, if you have a content like wiki, that is highly interconnected – and now you start build up a managed navigation – the links are different
Me:  Ah, good point.
Me:  just a little more tedious to manage
Eduard:   yeahh

 

Oh right, and in the video I used this Working On It animation:

Working On It

 

Thanks again!

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SharePoint Browser Support… Improved with 2013, really?

I wrote a post a little while ago about Microsoft’s boasts on supporting all browsers in SharePoint 2010. The fact is, SharePoint 2010 does not. What about SharePoint 2013? Let’s see:

Right off the bat, I see this when using Chrome, but not in FireFox.

Microsoft add on for Chrome

I went ahead and ignored it and tested out some items (below). As soon as I hit the first time that didn’t work as planned in Chrome, I enabled it, and it didn’t help things. Not sure what this is for.

The following tests were completed with Internet Explorer 10.0.9200.16540, Chrome 23.0.1271.64 m, and FireFox 16.0.2. See the bottom for IE8 or IE9.

Within a document library…

Try uploading multiple documents… this has changed since SharePoint 2010. There is no longer an option to upload multiple from the ribbon. Instead, you can drag your files into the library.

Funny enough, this doesn’t always work in IE, works great in Chrome and FireFox. Have you experienced the same in IE? I’m betting this is a bug in my IE with one of the add ons.

ie_dragdrop

Drag and Drop in IE

firefox_dragdrop

Drag and Drop in FireFox

Drag and Drop in Chrome

Drag and Drop in Chrome

Try opening the library in Windows Explorer, only works in IE still.

Open with Explorer in FireFox

Open with Explorer in FireFox

Open with Explorer with Chrome

Open with Explorer with Chrome

Open with Explorer with IE

Open with Explorer with IE

Try opening a Word doc and have it connect and save back to SharePoint. This was terrible in SharePoint 2010, only worked in IE. It appears it works amazingly well on SharePoint 2013!

Live editing in Chrome

Live editing in Chrome

Live editing in IE

Live editing in IE

Live editing in FireFox

Live editing in FireFox

Then there’s lists…

SharePoint 2010 had the datasheet view, which only worked in IE. SharePoint 2013 has updated it to Quick Edit. This appears to work in each browser, however copy/paste from Excel doesn’t work in Chrome and FireFox. The two rows I added in IE were copied from Excel. Couldn’t get it to work in the others.

Quick Edit in FireFox

Quick Edit in FireFox

Quick Edit in IE

Quick Edit in IE

Quick Edit in Chrome

Quick Edit in Chrome

A photo library works so much better in all three browsers. This is a big improvement over SharePoint 2010.

Photo library in IE

Photo library in IE

Photo library in Chrome

Photo library in Chrome

Photo library in FireFox

Photo library in FireFox

Let’s give Excel Services a go…

Beautiful, can you tell the difference between the three?

Excel Web Services in FireFox

Excel Web Services in FireFox

Excel Web Services in IE

Excel Web Services in IE

Excel Web Services in Chrome

Excel Web Services in Chrome

What about exporting a list to Excel…

Export to Excel button

Export to Excel in FireFox

Export to Excel in FireFox

It does actually open it in FireFox.

It does actually open it in FireFox.

Export to Excel in Chrome

Export to Excel in Chrome

Chrome doesn't open the file, just does this weird thing.

Chrome doesn’t open the file, just does this weird thing.

Funny enough, my IE prompted me in the same manner.

Funny enough, my IE prompted me in the same manner.

IE did download and open the file in Excel.

IE did download and open the file in Excel.

As you can see, browser support has greatly improved with SharePoint 2013, with the only disappointment being the Open with Explorer feature. Overall, most if not all of the features work cross browsers. Microsoft removed the ActiveX controls that once controlled most of the above features, now SharePoint uses HTML5 for most of its interfaces. This allows equal access and treats the other (non-IE) browsers are first class citizens.

What about Internet Explorer 8 and 9? Natively, they don’t support HTML5, however, if you have Office 2013 installed, it should all work. For more info, see TechNet blog: http://blogs.technet.com/b/wkng/archive/2012/11/07/sharepoint-server-2013-drag-and-drop-contents-to-library.aspx.

This is excellent news!

For more information on Microsoft’s official stance on browser support: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc263526(v=office.15).aspx. Also Joel Oleson has put together a SharePoint 2013 Browser Comparison Report Card.

Let’s try mobile browsers next…

‘Til then, Happy SharePointing!

SharePoint Browser Support – All latest browsers supported… Really?

I came across Kirk Stark’s blog post in which he discusses an update to Microsoft’s documentation regarding SharePoint’s browser support:

Unless otherwise stated,  all browser versions are supported. Period.

For any third-party browser (including Google Chrome, Firefox, Apple Safari, etc.) we will support the latest publically released version. There is no more distinction regarding version numbers.

Yyeeahhh! I can let my users use Chrome or FireFox and expect the same great experience from Internet Explorer…

Good luck, that won’t happen.

The term “support” is such a loosely used term here, and I think gives a false hope. (or maybe I’m reading too much into it and I should shut up…) Sure, the browsers will open SharePoint and allow users to navigate and view everything. For the most part things work well (editing items, popup modals, ribbon, etc.) However, to say that Google Chrome is “supported” in SharePoint is a stretch. It should probably be rephrased to “all browsers can access SharePoint”, or be in the “Supported with limitations” group.

Some of the real beneficial end user features of SharePoint are lost with browsers other than Internet Explorer. Don’t believe me, open Chrome, FireFox or Safari, and try these:

Within a document library…

Try creating a new document…

Try uploading multiple documents…

Try opening the library in Windows Explorer…

Try opening a Word doc and have it connect and save back to SharePoint…

The file will download, and you can open it. Then you have to upload the file manually, it doesn't auto-save to SharePoint.

Then there’s lists…

Try editing a list in datasheet view…

A photo library…

Try viewing a photo library…

In Internet Explorer, nice thumbnail view.

In Chrome, we lose thumbnails, but get a neat little preview on the left.

These things are clearly not “supported in all browsers”. These little pieces are the icing on the cake that make SharePoint much slicker, more user friendly and all around cooler. All of these awesome little features in SharePoint require ActiveX controls.  ActiveX is only supported in Internet Explorer, 32-bit version. For more details on what else in SharePoint utilizes ActiveX, check out Microsoft’s Browser Support on TechNet. So until Microsoft changes the way they handle these (or all browsers start supporting ActiveX, fat chance at that) we won’t see these work in anything other than Internet Explorer. Maybe we’ll see some improvements in SharePoint 2013?

Did you see what was not on the list above? Excel Services, PowerPivot, Dashboards… Those even work on the iPad!

all browser versions are supported. Period.” Really?